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at what size does prime of prime actually become accessible and worth it

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    jeremyy
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    i understand the concept of prime of prime brokers - they aggregate liquidity from multiple tier-1 banks and offer it to clients who can't access prime brokerage directly. but all the information i find is either aimed at funds or is marketing fluff.

    at what account size or volume does pop pricing actually become accessible to an individual trader? is there a realistic path from retail ecn to pop, or is there a hard minimum that effectively excludes most traders?

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      dreamchaser
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      realistic floor for a pop relationship these days is around 100k-250k account equity and demonstrable monthly volume of at least a few million notional. some pop providers have lower marketed minimums but in practice the pricing you get at under 100k isn't meaningfully better than a good retail ecn. the difference becomes real around 500k+ where you start accessing the actual tier-1 bank streams.

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        bluedreams
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        i went through this transition about three years ago. the practical improvement at the time was about 0.2 pips tighter on majors and significantly better fills on size above 5 lots. below 2 lots the difference is almost imperceptible. the admin overhead of the pop relationship, monthly minimums, and more complex account structure is only worth it once you're trading at consistent size.

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          shadowpilot
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          do companies like ic markets and pepperstone at the top tier already have pop-level liquidity, or is there still a meaningful step up from their best retail offering?

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            darkhorizon
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            pepperstone and ic markets' raw/razor accounts are already sourcing liquidity from lps (liquidity providers) at the pop level and passing most of it through. the spread difference between their retail and a direct pop relationship is marginal for most pairs. where the gap opens is execution speed (co-located vs not), access to deeper book levels, and negotiating on the commission itself at volume.

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              carterw
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              agree with the above. the honest answer for most profitable retail traders is the upgrade from a market maker to a good ecn/raw account broker delivers 90% of the available improvement. the remaining 10% that direct pop access provides only matters once you're trading size that the retail venue is starting to see as a problem anyway.

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                fadedlights
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                100-250k equity minimum is the practical floor. below that a good ecn is effectively equivalent.

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